tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15520935.post114823062513655129..comments2023-12-18T11:10:18.390-05:00Comments on Shelly's Comic Book Shelf: Anti-Women Bias in Comics?ShellyShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14183404615688013084noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15520935.post-1148260007716956012006-05-21T21:06:00.000-04:002006-05-21T21:06:00.000-04:00heh, yeah. But it has been interesting. :)And than...heh, yeah. But it has been interesting. :)<BR/><BR/>And thanks. I'm going to have a big pile of comics to read when I get back.ShellyShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14183404615688013084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15520935.post-1148259913327485932006-05-21T21:05:00.000-04:002006-05-21T21:05:00.000-04:00Well, I think we've reached a stalemate then.Maybe...Well, I think we've reached a stalemate then.<BR/><BR/>Maybe we'll have another topic when you get back from your vacation. Have fun! :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13441809988487585009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15520935.post-1148258559480197722006-05-21T20:42:00.000-04:002006-05-21T20:42:00.000-04:00Oh, I don't talk about anyone by name in the libra...Oh, I don't talk about anyone by name in the library, but I will talk about the overall bureaucracy. I won't do anything to break the ethics code of the library. But that doesn't mean I don't get to talk about my experiences and my feelings about the library. I just try to keep things to general terms. I won't bitch in public, only with fellow staffers, usually at my level of middle management.<BR/><BR/>An artist or writer under contract with a company like DC is a bit different than an outright employee and what his or her contract might or might not allow could be an issue, but we're not privy to it. And if he's promoting a website, and if it's not against a contract he has with anyone, then professionalism isn't an issue. IMO, of course. Should I ever get published, I'll use that to promote my website and anything else I consider worthwhile.ShellyShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14183404615688013084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15520935.post-1148257282925993162006-05-21T20:21:00.000-04:002006-05-21T20:21:00.000-04:00Wher I'm a bit more strict. I'll talk about what ...Wher I'm a bit more strict. I'll talk about what I think of who I work with, but I'm not about to condemn the upper management or their decisions in public no matter what I think. And I don't let people know much detail what was going on when I was working (aside from vague comments and jokes). It's more of a security thing since I work in aviation. So I guess I'm more lax and more strict in this area.<BR/><BR/>I'm also reluctant to endorse anything using my profession, which is what got me with this. It looks like he's using his position as a writer/artist to endorse the website. That's another place where it strikes me as unprofessional.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13441809988487585009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15520935.post-1148251115202855592006-05-21T18:38:00.000-04:002006-05-21T18:38:00.000-04:00I think there's a big difference between harrassme...I think there's a big difference between harrassment at work and people talking about how they do things. The harrassment of women working in the comics industry is appalling. <BR/><BR/>However, we've become so politically correct and careful in our major urban library system that what once would have been simple teasing or kidding around with people whose company you enjoy is now likely to get you slapped with a grievance. It's hard to know in the workplace, what's acceptable and what's not sometimes.<BR/><BR/>But I'll talk about how I do my work and what I think about some members of the public outside of the workplace. The only thing I won't do is name names. That's the distinction I make re: professionalism.<BR/><BR/>If George had said So-and-so had sexual fantasies drawing Ms. Whoever, that's unprofessional. But when he talks about himself? It's up to him how open he wants to be. I appreciate the honesty, even if I also would wonder if he's being honest or having a bit of fun. ;)ShellyShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14183404615688013084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15520935.post-1148250712978771972006-05-21T18:31:00.000-04:002006-05-21T18:31:00.000-04:00Fair enough, I'm willing to concede I'm over sensi...Fair enough, I'm willing to concede I'm over sensitive here. I work in a very strictly professional environment -- despite it being full of wrench-monkeys and lewd jokes and such, we're actually very careful about what we say and imply in public.<BR/><BR/>And Frank Miller's script months ago has set me off on writer professionalism. At least, with the corporate characters.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13441809988487585009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15520935.post-1148249587555026812006-05-21T18:13:00.000-04:002006-05-21T18:13:00.000-04:00I think the issue is reall how we define professio...I think the issue is reall how we define professionalism when it comes to writers. I don't think a writer discussing his or her process or fantasies or whatever is "unprofessional." Maybe because I hang out online with pro SF novelists on various writers boards, where folks are pretty open about their processes, I don't get "images" or whatevers in my head when I read things like that, ie George Perez having BDSM-type fantasies while writing or drawing female characters. I'm either going to like what he or any other writer or artist does, or not, but the why of it is of no more interest to me than satisfying some curiosity.<BR/><BR/>I thought Devin really "got" Arsenal and in most of her stories, Nightwing. She got a bit too self-indulgent, not in the content of her stories, or characterization, but in not knowing when to temper it for the good of the story. All I care about is whether or not the results work for me or not. Some of Devin's stories worked better for me than others.<BR/><BR/>I don't even know what people mean about professionalism in writers or artists, beyond they shouldn't insult their readers or get drunk at cons and act lewd or whatever. Talking about their methods and such is to me being accessible.ShellyShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14183404615688013084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15520935.post-1148248875272361312006-05-21T18:01:00.000-04:002006-05-21T18:01:00.000-04:00Funny you should mention Devin Grayson, she's also...Funny you should mention Devin Grayson, she's also who I was thinking of when I wrote the post.<BR/><BR/>She gave an interview where she let us in on her fangirl fantasies a bit, and in the ensuing weeks I saw it constantly linked in message boards across comic-land. She was regularly, utterly trashed as a writer. Which is a shame, because her Catwoman was top-notch, but I think for some fans knowledge of her internal fantasies made it hard to swallow Nightwing.<BR/><BR/>I figure now, the exact same thing will happened to Perez, and I just think that if you say something that invites that sort of criticism to your work, you're being unprofessional.<BR/><BR/>It wasn't really a feminist post, it came about <B>because</B> I have the same preferences as you (male characters as opposed to females) and because I'm a huge Wonder Woman fan and I disliked the images described on the site, but it was more a musing on the behavior of writers. Hell, now that I have this idea in my head I can't really even trust myself to critique <B>anything</B> the man wrote anymore, which is a shame because I thought his Wonder Woman run was weak and wanted to get into the whys. <BR/><BR/>I think if they were held to a higher standard of professionalism, fans would have a lot less to complain about. Half of this stuff would be unseen and the criticisms of their work would be based solely on skill.<BR/><BR/>So I titled it "The Gift of Ammunition" as opposed to the "The Evils of a Writer's Sex-life" or something like that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13441809988487585009noreply@blogger.com