tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15520935.post2748693162831376464..comments2023-12-18T11:10:18.390-05:00Comments on Shelly's Comic Book Shelf: Feminist IssuesShellyShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14183404615688013084noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15520935.post-25459528055642137082007-06-05T18:51:00.000-04:002007-06-05T18:51:00.000-04:00Thanks, James. I've never liked people assuming wh...Thanks, James. I've never liked people assuming what I think or feel or telling me how I should feel, even if I agree with them or they're on the same side of a debate.<BR/><BR/>The fact is, there is still serious issues re: sex/gender in comics and if the major players want to increase their audiences, they'll need to address these issues because alienating females isn't good business.<BR/><BR/>I just didn't want it assumed that because I consider myself a feminist and have for 35 or so years, that I found the art offensive. But then, I'm not easily offended.ShellyShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14183404615688013084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15520935.post-28509745130856367182007-06-05T18:43:00.000-04:002007-06-05T18:43:00.000-04:00I like how you say that people who take issue with...I like how you say that people who take issue with something artistic (as comics are), rather than say "It's offensive" it is better to say "it offended me."<BR/><BR/>The latter states your own feelings from the artform in question, without casting your own viewpoint as the SOLE viewpoint. The former is a blanket statement of sorts, that does seem to speak for everyone, or attempt to make this person's individual view as representative of the whole of the audience.<BR/><BR/>We all have things we don't care for. Things that rub us the wrong way, even if that's not the reason why that peticular thing exists. But we all really need to stop trying to make OUR views and feelings seem like "common sense/knowledge" for how an artform or creative endevor is to be viewed by everyone.<BR/><BR/>Both sides of this current "debate" (and I use that term in the loosest possible sense) need to saa what THEY personal feel, does not mean all can or will feel that way. And to take it even further, just because you find some like minds in how you feel, doesn't mean that view is the sole or correct one.James Meeleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15125466138669301618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15520935.post-57627301274593259402007-06-04T14:22:00.000-04:002007-06-04T14:22:00.000-04:00Shelly, I completely agree about tone. It's the '...Shelly, I completely agree about tone. It's the 'polite dissent' thing. The odd part is I might agree with all the arguments, but when they put out there in dismissive ways, the point is lost. It's the written equivalent to the split screen shouting match.RedheadFangirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03130452058774732168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15520935.post-48442790442726934792007-06-03T11:37:00.000-04:002007-06-03T11:37:00.000-04:00Thanks, Sally. And I agree that Marvel's response ...Thanks, Sally. And I agree that Marvel's response just plain sucked. Denying people their feelings, or telling them what to feel or how to think, is not advisable when you're trying to sell a product to them.<BR/><BR/>One reason I don't read many feminist comics blogs is the tone they have. One I looked at last night wondered about the stupidity of people who couldn't see the difference between the cover in question and another. Well, to me, there really isn't much difference, and much as I realize there are many people for whom there is a difference, I don't like the inference that I'm stupid for not seeing it. I simply disagree.<BR/><BR/>There's hysteria and hyperbole on both sides of this disagreement, for sure.ShellyShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14183404615688013084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15520935.post-9142747232476067902007-06-03T11:16:00.000-04:002007-06-03T11:16:00.000-04:00As usual Shelly, you are a voice of reason...espec...As usual Shelly, you are a voice of reason...especially in the wilderness of all the hysteria. I do have to say that I found the Heroes for Hire cover to be pretty gratuitous, but what I found to be more enraging was Marvel's response. <BR/><BR/>I was told that I had no right to feel a bit sqeamish about it, because there was no "intent", and that therefore it was all in my own filthy little mind. Well, I am paraphrasing of course, but to me, that was the gist of it. I HATE being told how to think.SallyPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05592635194271250605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15520935.post-23224222633872681652007-06-03T01:49:00.000-04:002007-06-03T01:49:00.000-04:00Thanks, Gail. Coming from you, a writer whose work...Thanks, Gail. Coming from you, a writer whose work I greatly admire, that means a lot. Thanks for visiting, and for commenting.ShellyShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14183404615688013084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15520935.post-46542930748112041312007-06-03T01:31:00.000-04:002007-06-03T01:31:00.000-04:00I think this is quite nicely said and a perfect ex...I think this is quite nicely said and a perfect example of how someone I disagree with (in this case) can present a compelling and civil case that I respect, even if we come to a different conclusion.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, nicely said.<BR/><BR/>Best wishes,<BR/><BR/>GailGail Simonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15942758798660714632noreply@blogger.com